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Re: [E-devel] E17 in Debian Sid



On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 10:44:59PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:43:03 +0000 Lut!n <lut1n.tne@gmail.com>
> babbled:
> 
> > 2006/11/24, Falko Schmidt <kaethorn@stud.uni-stuttgart.de>:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> 
> ok- some summary.
> 
> 1. e.org pages have not been updated or maintained because we
> anticipated a while back moving to a new webserver, website and a need
> to redo ALL the website. no need to go create content we just need to
> redo again. this has unfortunately been delayed an taken a lot longer
> that thought. we are still waiting.
>
> 2. packages of e17. e17 is unreleased. we do not encourage you to go
> put packages in debian or ubuntu - why? you will piss us off as users
> will just come back to use complaining about bugs or missing features
> when we are not done. it doesn't matter what policies you have or how
> many lines of documentation say not to bother us - they will. they
> will waste our time and patience. we do NOT want e in official debian
> repositories. it just will mean a tonne of support we already don't
> have time for.
> 
> if you want e development to halt - then go ahead. but likely it will
> mean just that. users are a burden if you are not prepared for them -
> and we sure as hell are not. they will not be god users and contact
> debian support mechanisms - they will come back to us.
> 
> if you want to do packages - put them in a separate apt repository -
> make it harder to get to. this will minimise the impact.
>
I totally agree here. I've got many people using my repository who
report issues to me directly - which is good - but still many who report
them in IRC as well. What about a Debian postinst warning telling people
to stay clear of feature requests and bug reports for packages on my
repository?

Anyways - I won't urge to put packages in Sid without your approval,
that's for sure.

> as for working together - i absolutely think you should - ubunutu and
> debian basically are the same (from an e perspective anyway) and there
> is little use it duplicating most of the packaging work :)
> 
Yup, good that I asked. I didn't know there was an alioth project around
already :)

Falko

> 
> > 
> > Hi Falko ,
> > 
> > as some of you might have noticed, I'm trying to help out by adding
> > and
> > > fixing Debian packaging information in CVS since about eight
> > > months.  Meanwhile I took over Blake's Debian repository on
> > > edevelop.org which now supports i386, AMD64, alpha and Sparc.
> > 
> > Some days ago Jan Christoph Nordholz < hesso@pool.math.tu-berlin.de>
> > > offered me to have E17 uploaded to Debian Sid via his sponsor who
> > > could sign the packages for us.
> > 
> > As there's still time before Etch will be released he will help me
> > to
> > > make the packages compliant to the Debian policy.
> > >
> > > Are there any objections from the E17 Team?
> > 
> > 
> > I am the maintainer of the ubuntu repo hosted on edevelop, and with
> > Maxence Dunnewind (Sp4rKy), Daniele Favara (nomed) and Blake, we've
> > created a team on alitoh whose goal is to build up a debian tree for
> > e17 that matches the debian policy.  We are not listed on the debian
> > packaging staff on enlightenment.org (the page seems outdated btw),
> > but we've been working quite hard to make a clean debian tree.
> > Usually, integration of such projects are made through teams, and
> > teams are usually on alioth.  There were many people packaging e17
> > for debian finally, and it makes sense to merge our energies. Please
> > have a look at http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-e/ . We'd be
> > happy if you want to join us in the team, and on #pkg-
> > e@irc.freenode.net, so we can make something good all together :)
> > 
> > Furthermore I'd like to know if people mentioned in the 'Porting and
> > > Package Team' section on enlightenment.org are still active in
> > > regards of Debian packages.
> > 
> > I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so it'd be nice if people
> > tell me
> > > if they don't like me messing around in their debian/ directories
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Falko
> > 
> > 
> > Greets, Albin Tonnerre (Lutin), in behalf of the pkg-e team.
> >