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Re: [E-devel] wallpaper & theme dialogs



On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 08:39:37PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:41:31 +0000 Aleksej Struk <astruk@gmail.com> babbled:
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 08:16:11AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:34 +0000 Aleksej Struk <astruk@gmail.com> babbled:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm currently compiled the lates E cvs, and tried wallpaper and theme
> > > > dialogs. So, I have some comments on them. IMHO the wallpaper/theme
> > > > list is too small in height and width. It is quite hard to navigate it,
> > > > at least for me, since I have to scroll the list too much. For example I
> > > > have 5 themes installed, and I can see just two of theme in the
> > > > selector. My current theme is the one before the last in the list. So,
> > > > order to set the first theme I have to scroll the list. Would not be
> > > > better to make these selector lists bigger, at least in height? Then I
> > > > think the navigation would be much easier.
> > > 
> > > you do know the dialog is resizable?
> > > you do know you can use "remember" to remember your last size/location...
> > 
> > Well, I know this :). Basically I tried to be as a newbeeee user that
> > sees E first time in his/her life and tries to set a wallpaper/theme :)
> > 
> > > 
> > > the dialog is small by default so people stuck in 640x480 on vga screens can
> > > at least USE the UI - unlike other desktops environment (gnome, kde, windows
> > > xp) where some dialogs - especially ones for doing things like changing
> > > screen resolution - do not fit in 640x480. you can't click "ok" to change
> > > resolution in windows xp for example.
> > 
> > Completely agree.
> > 
> > > 
> > > these are bad design errors. thus by default we try keep our dialogs within
> > > 640x480. you are always free to resize the dialog to make it bigger. you can
> > > ask e to remember this for you :)
> > 
> > Can be dialogs be smart for example? Maybe they can have their minimum
> > settings and optimal settings. Consequently, if it "sees" that cannot fit
> > into entire screen, it uses minimum settings. Otherwise, it uses optimal
> > settings.
> 
> what is optimal? i find that having the dialog as small as possible is optimal
> as i keep the rest of my screen still to do other things at the same time...
> personal preference. and seriously - how often do u change themes and need a
> big long list - will you have 100 themes installed? i am doubtful :) the theme
> dialog is actually no smaller - the left is smaller - it can display 3 instead
> of 4 by default. not a lot of loss imho.

Well, I personally, can say, that the size of the wallpaper dialog is
almost optimal. My arguing, why it is optimal, is the following. If I
have set my wallpaper, and open the wallpaper dialog again, the selected
wallpaper get vertically centered in the selector list. Consequently I
easily see, which wallpaper goes before and after selected one.

In contrast, in the theme config dialog, if I have selected a theme, and
open the dialog once again, the selection is not get vertically centered
in the selector list(at least for now). That forces me to scroll the
list, if I want to see a theme before the selected. Moreover if I center
selected theme in the list, I see just a "peace" of list item before and
after the selected. Psychologically, it makes me scroll the list again,
up or down, since I want to see those items in full.

Btw, just one more comment about, I think, selector. I have the following
situation. I created a folder A inside .e/e/backgrounds/, and put some of
my bgs inside it. Then I set my wallpaper to a bg from that folder. Then,
if I open wallpaper cfg dialog, it starts in the .e/e/backgrouunds and
does not find current wallpaper at this location.  So, there are no
selection of current wallpaper at all. Then if I enter the A folder I
still do not have any selection. Therefore, if I have 5 bgs in the dir,
and the last is the current wallpaper, I cannot immediately see that it
is selected. Basically, I have to options then. 1) just to remember which
bg I made current, or 2) to scroll the list and locate it via thumb.
So, from the user perspective, I have to "think" - what is going on, and
which bg is the current. iirc, the ideology of good gui is "make user to
think as less as possible".

> 
> > Please do not kill me with arguments. I basically propose some
> > ideas/solutions.
> 
> sure - noted. though i think i will worry about this later - this i consider
> fine tuning somewhere near the end of development :)

Well, maybe everything that I listed above will go to a fine tuning
later. :)

> 
> > > 
> > > > sndev
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Aleksej Struk
Master Degree Student
Free University of Bozen-Bolzano
Faculty of Computer Science
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